Curse

lyra_song · Jul 24, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by KurtBatz

What's a horrible idea? The only proposal I've made is for someone from arenanet to take names at Elona's reach of all the obvious Mo/W bots. If you're not a bot then you won't be affected.

Tell that to all the people Anet banned who werent bots. Even real people will make mistakes.

Stockholm · Jul 24, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

I think A-Net need to open a chines server, where the bot's can roam free, like a Bot preserve.
And then declare open hunting season on bot's everywhere else

Guitary Boy · Jul 24, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD,THAT IS MENTAL! I thought you faked that picture some how lol, just duplicated the mo/w bit or somthing lol, but jesus that is beyond belief, you can spam you bots are going to get banned but no replys, they come in go to merchant, leave and repeat, there is 1 mo/w that is actually human and a couple of other normal players ....wow a net needs to do somthing about this...

logan90 · Jul 24, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Drithlan

SOLUTION to 55ers remove all -hp off hands they will nolonger be a "55" monk

That isnt a solution. The bots will just start using a different solo build. Nerfing items and skills wont solve this. The only way to deal with bots is to ban them or make them uprofitable to run as a business.

Shadow-Hunter · Jul 24, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Nerfing the -hp items wont help, cus ppl will just bot with a 600 hp monk with PS + Spirit bond.. nerfing PS wont help cus ppl can still make a good Build with Spirit bond alone, with maybe life attunement.. Wanna nerf all that? Ofc not, that will make all non botters piss angry..

And now, a bot could also be set to use a Warrior, it aint that hard. Cyclone axe + Bonettis def + some Monk enchants, a Bot can do that too.. Nerf that skills too? ofc not..

The fact that its very easy to make a build that can kill Mino's and trolls make it impossible to kill the bots by nerfing skills or items.. Banning all Mo/W's in town is gonna hurt non botters.. and very soon the botters will just change their build.. to Mo/something.. To make em harder to spot.. Anyway, if it was that easy to get the bots out of the game without making all other ppl angry, then Anet would have done it..

~Shadow

Ventius Hozza · Jul 24, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

ANet hasn't had any problem banning people for no reason in the past... so why not now? I say ban them all.

If you're stupid enough to run around elona following the exact same route as all the other "real" bots, wearing all tats dyed blue then you deserve to get banned. Similarly, if you are stupid enough to run around Altrumm Ruins, doing 5 emotes, walking up to a lamppost and saying "i love you" (check it out, it's amazing) then, similarly, you deserve to get banned.

Shadow of Light · Jul 25, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

Meh. Just squish all the people selling GW stuff on Ebay.

KurtBatz · Jul 25, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

I love how someone else in this thread doubted me, then managed to take a screenshot of their own of about fifty Mo/W in Elona's reach doing the botting thing by going there themselves!

This is happening NOW, btw. Every hour, every day. I have no idea why ArenaNet aren't policing that area. Blue dyed tattooed Mo/W's, every time.

I've told ArenaNet where it's happening and provided proof of it, let's see if they actually do anything about it.

Henchman · Jul 25, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by Ventius Hozza

ANet hasn't had any problem banning people for no reason in the past... so why not now? I say ban them all.

If you're stupid enough to run around elona following the exact same route as all the other "real" bots, wearing all tats dyed blue then you deserve to get banned. Similarly, if you are stupid enough to run around Altrumm Ruins, doing 5 emotes, walking up to a lamppost and saying "i love you" (check it out, it's amazing) then, similarly, you deserve to get banned.

No, you don't. I can be as stupid as I want, farm where the bots do, and not dye my tattoos. So long as I am not a bot of course

Gorebrex · Jul 25, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Ive seen them, posted a pic of it somewhere on forum. Was fairly obvious they were bots after a little observation. Cant ppl just report a name as a "Supected bot" to ANet? If they get alot of reports with the same name, theyll probably look into it.

kvndoom · Jul 25, 2006, 09:32 AM // 09:32

Making Protective Spirit target other ally would destroy PVP because of monks' low armor level, so that's out the window.

I don't truly want to see 55 farming go away, it was very inventive, and for legitimate farmers it's a nice way to make some spare change without relying on friends or henchies to grind with you for 2 or 3 hours.

Botters will never stop botting as long as they can make money. Until Anet threatens ebay with legal recourse, or otherwise makes them stop selling gold, there is simply no way the bots will go away. They can ban accounts all day, but for every purchase of 1000 plat, they've made enough money to buy another account and a little profit on top.

shinrinningu · Jul 25, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I don't think I have to say why nerfing anything won't solve the botting problem nor would it even begin to. It would be an endless cycle.

As for the original suggestion, I doubt Anet would want to spare a team to watch the many bots/players that crowd Elona nor would they want to pay a team just to watch the bots. Time is money and I'm sure they would prefer keeping the team intact to work on things of more importance.

Besides, wasn't that little mess-up a few weeks ago(?) where over 2000 accounts were banned (many being wrongly banned players) a sign that Anet is working on something? I'm sure some claimed to have been avid farmers who have spent countless hours farming the same places... oh wait, isn't that what those 55's are doing? Hmm...

Still, they're working on something.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's not racial profiling you're suggesting but it's... *creates a new term* PLAYER PROFILING.

I don't think that would work well with the playerbase, especially since Anet already sent a bad shock into their system with the wrongful banning.

Consider this suggestion /disapproved and|or /not signed by me.

KurtBatz · Jul 25, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

I wonder how many people ANet banned, that were using the Mo/W setup, that then cried 'foul play'?

If you use a broken build that exploits the game in a way that makes farming overly simple, characters near indestructable (besides blood magic and hex removal) and allows currency to be devalued, using the favoured build of 99.9999999% of botters to farm currency- then why would you be surprised that ANet investigates your account closely and suspects you of being a botter?

KurtBatz · Jul 25, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by shinrinningu

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's not racial profiling you're suggesting but it's... *creates a new term* PLAYER PROFILING.

I don't think that would work well with the playerbase, especially since Anet already sent a bad shock into their system with the wrongful banning.

Good money says most of those bans weren't overturned.

..and I stick by my guns closely when I say most of these botters are chinese gold farmers. They even use chinese names and chinese letters in their bot names - it's a known sweatshop trade in the country and the gigantic majority of gold listings on ebay are from chinese sellers. I'm not playing the race card, I'm going by stone cold fact.

KurtBatz · Jul 25, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by shinrinningu

As for the original suggestion, I doubt Anet would want to spare a team to watch the many bots/players that crowd Elona nor would they want to pay a team just to watch the bots. Time is money and I'm sure they would prefer keeping the team intact to work on things of more importance.

Who said they need to 'spare a team' or pay a team just to do that?

I was sitting there for about ten, twenty minutes and I saw /dozens\ of Mo/W's botters popping up in that area. Look at the two screenshots earlier in the thread please. You could have a team member check out the known troubleshots, poke his head into the area every now and then and take stock of the names. If the area is being policied, even if it's just a brief look in every now and then, it might help to allievitate the problem.

KurtBatz · Jul 25, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Henchman

No, you don't. I can be as stupid as I want, farm where the bots do, and not dye my tattoos. So long as I am not a bot of course

You want to emulate the behaviour of a bot closely? That's fine, go ahead. Of course, when you lose access to your $40 game and come on the forums to complain about how you were wrongfully banned, don't expect much support from us!

Xenrath · Jul 25, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Actually, you could always prevent several identical runes being equipped at the same time.

There is no reason whatsoever to have two identical Superior runes equipped - except to deliberately lower HP to take advantage of prot spirit etc.

That would help, but it would also make the 55'ers complain, even though there is no reasonable reason whatsoever to have two identical superior runes equipped at the same time.

Farrell-Zander · Jul 25, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

well you can just use different runes then... there are 5 monk runes so thats no problem.

Xenrath · Jul 25, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Healing, Smiting, Divine, Protection... am I missing something? You need to use a duplicate for 55hp.

Also, adjusting the -50hp offhand item would help bring this to an end too. Will it happen though? Meh...

Phades · Jul 25, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

They could also just hardcap the minimum to what hp could get reduced to through dp and rune adjustment.Something in the 150-200hp range would be sufficient without totally obliterating existing balance for skills or a particular profession. Of course at certian points it would be "adventagous" under that setup to overuse superior runes at certain dp marks, but the couple bonus attribute points wouldnt make up for how vulnerable the character would be.

*This would be a rather large change to how deep wound currently functions though.

Though the bots themselves still need to be banned individually and continously until its far less prevelant than it is.